63 so on. We don’t have that now. We don’t have any of these types of people in our culture. There are very, very few that I can think of and this is part of the problem. We are all so busy trying to survive and make sense of it all, and there is no creative cultural output. I believe that is all-important because that is where you get the critique of all of this. There is nobody providing this long-range, deeply rooted critique of what is happening. If you dared do it, like certain professors have done in the university system, you get hounded down and shouted down and threatened with tenure and threat- ened with censure and all this. No one is stepping up to bat for them, and I think that we need to. Fitts: It’s interesting and this summer I had such a rich cultural experience. I went with my friends who teach the Pistis So- phia. I went to the Bregenz Festival, which I love, at Lake Constance. Lake Constance is said to have a statue of Mother Mary at the center – at the bottom. Every year during the summer many boats come out and do a prayer service for Mother Mary. The energy at that lake is just one of the most beautiful things I’ve ever experi- enced. I went with some very wonderful people in Santa Fe to the Santa Fe Opera, and then I flew to Zurich and went to Lake Constance, and went to see Carmen at the Bregenz Festival on the floating stage, which is absolutely spectacular. Then we drove through the Alps down to Verona to see Beethoven’s 9th in the Ve- rona Theatre Arena, which was absolutely amazing. However, what we discovered is that there are also free concerts in the cathedrals, so we went to one every day and they were so sublime. That is the only word that I can give it. They had the organ playing, had music and singing, and, when I tell you that all of Verona was packed with people going to all of these concerts – whether it was the Beethoven or the others – it was very gratifying. When we were in church listening to the organs in the cathedrals, no one had their smartphone out. It very was sublime. That is the only word that I can think of to describe it. Farrell: One of my favorite organ com- posers, Weider, said that architecture is music set in stone. Prince Charles has fulminated against modern architecture, and I agree with him on that. I don’t agree with him on much, but I agree with him on this. It’s absolutely ugly. It’s nothing but boxes with glass panels on them, and that is all that it is. There is no attempt to make the workspace environment beau- tiful. I live in a city that fortunately has a lot of nice art deco architecture, and much of it is skyscrapers, which is an interest- ing thing about where I live. It’s all part of this culture war and uglification that everything has to be up-to-date and trendy and modern. What we’ve done is sucked the life out of it. We have to start thinking in terms of putting life back into it. Fitts: In every place where I was attend- ing, there were very few Americans, but it was packed and people were ecstatic. Farrell: I think that the reason you see that phenomenon happening in Europe – and it’s starting to happen here – is be- cause Europe has suffered very obviously from a culture war with the refugee crisis and so on. Now they are waking up and realizing, “We could lose all of this.” That applies to everybody. You don’t have to be Christian or Jewish; you can be atheist or agnostic, and yet you are going to lose all of this, and they don’t want to lose it. We haven’t awakened to that fact here. As you have said, remove the Constitution, and what you’re really doing is removing the one living monument that we have in this country that connects us with that entire development. It’s much more than only a political thing; it’s a very cultural thing because that documents an expres- sion of a very long development of this civilization. We lose that, and we might as well pack up and go home. Fitts: I told you my famous quote from John Edward Hurley earlier when he said, “Culture is the integration of the divine in everyday life.” I thought a great deal about it, and went back to him and said, “You forgot to warn us that culture can be the integration of the demonic in everyday life.” Farrell: That is exactly right and is very true. Fitts: We are witnessing an effort to re- engineer our culture to strip out the divine and replace it with the demonic. Farrell: You’re watching an attempt to make a counter culture the culture, and that is what is so insidious about all of this. I agree with you and I do think it is a diabolical agenda in the long term because they tried it in Russia, and 70 years of that was enough. Fitts: Even the Russians said, “Get rid of it.” Farrell: “Get rid of that. We don’t want that anymore.” Actually, that is what you had there. You had the importation of essentially an organized philosophical atheism, a type of counter-cultural movement imposed on that country. It was imported – quite realistically – into it. If you want to look at cultural conse- quences of what we’re seeing now, look there at what happened. Fitts: Can we turn to Science & Technol- ogy? Farrell: Yes. Fitts: Einstein said something to the effect of, “New technology is like an axe in the hands of a pathological killer.” That takes us right down to the Navy ships. One thing that we did on the web presenta- tion – and I should point out that we have posted at the web presentation all of the top trends and stories for the 3rd Quarter so you can get current with a fast skim posted is all the different stories on the Navy ships, including several of your postings. They were very good postings. We now see articles saying that the Navy is returning to using radio compasses and pencils to navigate. Farrell: I saw that story a couple of years ago, and I even blogged about it at the time because I thought, “They’re detect-