50 Farrell: You no longer have a common culture of governance, but we also have – as Mr. Global keeps pointing out – transna- tional global corporations, which, under law in the Western system of jurisprudence, are persons and, therefore, have a certain amount of sovereignty. However, they don’t have the obligations, and that is the prob- lem. That has to be looked at long term and very carefully in the evolution of Western jurisprudence. It would be interesting to see how Russia does this because they come out of a theo- logical system that gave rise to all of this. Therefore, how do they view corporations? Are they persons? Are they obligated under the law? Do they have rights under the law? The third actor is somewhat of a non-terri- torial actor. It’s not necessarily corporations, per se. I’ve been talking about things like the mafia, which would be an extra-terri- torial actor. Fascist International would be one, and similar. So we have three new types of actors on the world stage that: 1) Are not signatories or under any sort of obligation to the West- phalian system, and 2) Whether they are or not, they are certainly not acting as if they are. That has contributed to tearing this thing up. So we need to take a very long, hard look over the long term. This is what scares me about a Constitutional Convention be- cause they won’t do that, and it needs to be done and those aren’t the people to do it. Fitts: Here is what is interesting. If you take any bank or corporation in the world, your state can enforce against them. First of all, they can fire them because all these companies have contracts or are depositories for your state. So don’t complain about the Federal government; just pull the plug on them in your state and county. When the state of California was going to issue script because of the fight over the budget, JP Morgan Chase refused to take it or honor it or let them do it, and they were over a barrel. I would fire them in a second; you’re out! That was number one. Number two; they can pull their charter to operate within a state. For a corporation to function within a state, the state has to approve. It’s one thing that I said in my article on how to enforce the Constitution. Get everybody; New York Fed member bank or San Francisco Fed member bank that has carried out all these shenanigans or the contractors who are responsible for the missing money, and pull the charter on them in your state. Farrell: The problem there is the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the Constitution. That would probably be used by their lawyers to defend them, but I take your point. These types of entities do have state charters for the most part. Fitts: They may have a charter in Delaware, but they are not allowed to operate in your state if you pull their right to operate. You can throw them out and don’t have to hire them. Farrell: I understand that, but that is not going to address the bureaucracy. These are the things that I think have torn up Westphalia. If that system of equality under the law that became a cardinal principal of international law is going to work, then we have to go back. I’ve said this many times. We have to take a very good long, hard, philosophical look at the development of jurisprudence with respect to these things, and I don’t see anybody doing that sort of analysis now. The other thing about Westphalia that is very, very interesting is that last year there was a Saudi prince who suggested that they needed to expand the Westphalian system to include the Islamic world, which I think – in a certain respect – makes a great deal of sense. There isn’t much sense coming out of Saudi Arabia, so that caught my attention. As things are going now, we are heading to some type of civilizational conflict with that culture and that civilization, and nobody wants it. They certainly don’t want it. I don’t think that it would be good for us. The only people who it is going to be good for are the weapons manufacturers. I think that the Westphalian system has at least caught the eye of other people in the world for very obvious reasons. It’s going to be interesting to see if we can make it work. The problem is that, in this country, the entire concept of equality under the law is breaking down, and they are deliberately breaking it down. So I don’t know if the system can be restored or not. I certainly hope so, but it can’t be restored until we take a long, hard, close, philosophical, juris- prudential look at the evolution of all these things, particularly where the law impacts corporations, and particularly where it impacts bureaucracies. Bureaucracies are now acting like legal agents in their own right for their gov- ernment, and that is not the way that it is supposed to be. Fitts: I would say it another way. They are using government powers to make money outside the law. Farrell: Precisely and that is only creating more chaos. Agency A says this, and Agency Y says that. So, where is the common citizen caught? They are caught in the crossfire and they don’t know what to do or what to think. The courts themselves are in shambles. The Federal court system hardly obeys the Constitution at all and we’ve seen example after example of that. Fitts: That’s why it’s coming down to decision time. When I was in litigation, I had a very dear friend named Court Skinner who was a Silicon Valley executive. When he left, he started a small, not- for-profit, to funda- mentally take the computers from the big corporations and get them transferred over to the youths in the neighborhood that couldn’t afford computers. It was called Computers for Everyone. In the year when there was the most ten- sion, the life expectancy of one of my com- puters was 29 days. I was using all Linux and open-source software, which is the most invulnerable to hacking, but it would still only last 29 days. They could hack them and absolutely destroy them. The only way for me to stay online was to get a new laptop every 29 days, and Court would completely throw something together. These things were old and clunky because you knew it was only going to last 29 days, so why spend money? I would get a FedEx package, and the VI. News Trends & Stories with Dr. Joseph Farrell